diesel rattle in D4D Prado

[whiteman Member Find all posts View Profile Close whiteman]

Went and saw my mate who owns Meteor Car & Truck rental in Townsville today. He runs GX diesels + Hiluxes. These vehilcle work all over Nth Qld. When I asked if he had experienced "the rattle" he said he replaces the fuel filters on delivery as he doesn't trust the Tojo model to get the water out of the fuel. He has not had this problem on the D4D. But ... he said anyone who gets fuel from an old petrol bowser (or drum at really remote sites) is looking for trouble.

He's had 2 GLs totalled recently. One in Mt Isa where the driver swerved to miss a cow and flipped it back on to its wheels - still drivable but not much roof left and the other on the Bloomfield track where a church group lost it on a corner and went a**e into a tree which bounced them across the road and then went front into another tree. Both paid $5k excess!

[Up The Creek Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Up The Creek]

Just as a side-note regarding the quality of Diesel in OZ:

The D4D motor came out approx 3 years earlier than it was released in Oz. Toyota's excuse for having such a long delay was that Oz fuel was too dirty. The cynics (myself included) chalked it down to Toyota being arrogant and selling us an inferior diesel motor "for as long as they could get away with it" or until it affected sales.

Seems that there was no conspiracy, rather the reasons were valid.

Still doesn't excuse Toyota from selling a $60K 4WD with a crap / inferior / defective / not tolerant enough Fuel filter / system.

[Nick Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nick]

OK so what sort of filter should be used? There has been a suggestion from some other posts that the filter may have been changed by Toyota in more recently produced cars (different colour etc). Can this one be trusted and if not, what sort of filter should be used instead?

[MickL Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close MickL]

Seems everybody assumes “Australia’s poor fuel quality” means our fuel is dirty and hence a good filter would get the nasties out.

What if “poor fuel quality” means they blend any old shite away in it (which not being solids can’t be easily filtered out) and these contaminants are damaging the injectors. Maybe our fuel just erodes the seats in the injectors?

So far I’ve read of this issue not only on Toyotas but Mitsubishi, Mazda/fords and various euro cars… and that’s just a quick google….


Just thinking out loud…

Mick

[mav Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close mav]

Fair call Nick,

So, what's the go with the different filter :?: :?:

Any suggestions :arrow:

I have the same coloured filter as the latest owners have got so I do not think there has been a change in filters.

I reckon it was just a stock photo from Europe that they have used.

[Daz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daz]

I have a D4D Hilux work ute that has crackled since new. Very noticable when leaving my driveway at 5.30am, but no complaints from outside the cab. Its just wen I drop into 2nd gear accelerating.
Now done 110k, still crackles, and I suppose Im used to it

It runs on Shell Fuel from work, Servos wherever I need to on trips between minesites, and also Bio from when I fuel up occasionally at the minesite

Using genuine filters, serviced at work on the dot.

The other crackle I get is sometimes when heavy 4x4. (Not bogged, but when recovering from a sticky situation.....) Above the squeal of the clutch, I have heard the motor crackles again and I assumed it was the injection timing not quite responding to the conditions. Ie ECU not being able to respond to the inputs from throttle postion, engine temp, load, etc etc.

i dont think I have offered any answrs here, except that this one has made it past 100k, and Im not concerned by it.
Every other D4D hilux I have driven at work is same

Daz

[LostDingo2 Find all posts View Profile Close LostDingo2]

Mav....I picked up another pamphlet regarding the fuel filter and warnings they appear to be placing with all the new Prados....if you like I'll mail to you.

regards,

Paul

[mav Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close mav]

Mav....I picked up another pamphlet regarding the fuel filter and warnings they appear to be placing with all the new Prados....if you like I'll mail to you.

regards,

Paul

Thanks Paul, can you scan it and send it via email? Would be quicker and cheaper.

[LostDingo2 Find all posts View Profile Close LostDingo2]

Will do! 8)

[Steve & Sandra Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Steve & Sandra]

I may have missed something.....what warnings should we be looking out for.

cheers

Steve

[LostDingo2 Find all posts View Profile Close LostDingo2]

Paul,

Could you please scan and email it to me also.

Cheers,

just sent :wink: and I have placed online if anyone is interested in pdf

http://www.lostdingo.com/pradopoint/...l%20System.pdf

[Jacto Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jacto]

My D4D is booked in for its 60K service tomorrow and although I have not experienced the problem, I was amazed just now when the dealer rang me and said they were recommending that the diesel engines undergo an on vehicle injector service every 15K, would I like it done at the same time as the service.

Umhh, my response was immediate "so given that Toyota appear to have a recognised problem with injectors on the D4D, your fix is to get the customer to pay for the service to lessen the risk on Toyota" the silence was golden to which I added that I would take it up with the service manager when I arrive tomorrow morning. :x :x :x

[clifton Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close clifton]

Hi Jacto,
Good stuff mate! what do these Service Managers take us for :?:
I hope they give you a clear and concise explanation of what the 15,000km Injector Service Procedure is, a few of the members would no doubt love to find out.
Hope it all goes well, particularly the Injector Service Cost being borne by Toyota :!:

[Chippy Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close Chippy]

Umhh, my response was immediate "so given that Toyota appear to have a recognised problem with injectors on the D4D, your fix is to get the customer to pay for the service to lessen the risk on Toyota" the silence was golden to which I added that I would take it up with the service manager when I arrive tomorrow morning. :x :x :x

Absolute GOLD Jacto .... well done.

I'm sure you'll get another set of stories tomorrow though :?

Cheers
Chippy

[Steve & Sandra Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Steve & Sandra]

[/quote]LostDingo2
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject:
Mav....I picked up another pamphlet regarding the fuel filter and warnings they appear to be placing with all the new Prados....if you like I'll mail to you.

regards,

Paul

i enquired at our local toyota dealer reagrding the new filter/separator? they had no idea what i was talking about.

does anyone have any part numbers?

Cheers

Steve