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  • #16
    This is a reply I got from the ACCC

    The ACCC is responsible for administering the Competition and Consumer
    Act 2010 which incorporates the Australian Consumer Law (ACL) in
    Schedule 2 of that Act. The ACL is a single national law which aims to
    protect consumers and ensure fair trading in Australia. Under the ACL,
    consumers have the same protections, and businesses have the same
    obligations and responsibilities across Australia.



    The ACL provides all consumers with certain guarantees when they
    purchase goods and services. These are known as the consumer guarantees.




    The consumer guarantees outline the circumstances in which a business is
    required to provide a remedy to a consumer.



    If a good or service does not meet any of the consumer guarantees, then
    the consumer may take action to obtain a remedy from the seller, service
    provider or manufacturer/importer -for example, a refund, replacement,
    repair or having an unsatisfactory service performed again. If the
    guarantees have been met, the consumer guarantees do not require
    businesses to provide a remedy.



    Many businesses choose to offer extra warranties or promises-often
    called voluntary or extended warranties-in relation to their goods or
    services. However, consumer guarantees automatically apply regardless of
    any voluntary or extended warranty given by a seller or manufacturer of
    goods. The guarantees also have no set time limit-depending on the type
    and quality of the good, businesses may be obligated to provide a remedy
    after any voluntary or extended warranty, for example a manufacturer's
    warranty, has expired.



    WHAT PROTECTIONS CONSUMER GUARANTEES PROVIDE YOU WITH

    Consumer guarantees require that:



    * goods are of acceptable quality
    * goods are fit for their specified purpose
    * goods match the description, sample or demonstration model
    provided
    * express warranties that are provided by the trader are met
    * consumers have clear title to the goods, free from securities
    and charges and undisturbed possession.



    WHAT REMEDIES ARE AVAILABLE

    If a good fails to meet any of the guarantees listed above or a seller
    fails to meet their obligations, the consumer is entitled to a
    remedy-either a repair, replacement, refund or compensation for any drop
    in value from the original price paid-depending on the circumstances.



    Generally, sellers will be able to choose whether they remedy the
    problem with a replacement, repair or refund. However, if the problem is
    major or cannot be or is not fixed within a reasonable time, the
    consumer may choose between a refund, replacement, or compensation for
    the goods' drop in value.



    WHAT ACTION CAN YOU TAKE

    If you feel that the good that the online supplier has supplied does not
    meet your consumer guarantees, you should first attempt to negotiate a
    remedy with the seller. More information on writing a complaint letter
    (or "letter of demand") is available on the ACCC website
    <http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/815362> .



    The ACCC does not offer an individual dispute resolution service;
    therefore, if you wish to pursue a remedy for breach of a consumer
    guarantee, and you are unable to resolve this matter with the online
    supplier through either verbal or written communications, you may wish
    to contact the Fair Trading Office that the online seller is registered.
    Local fair trading or consumer affairs agencies can suggest a range of
    strategies that you may wish to explore to resolve your concerns. They
    can also provide information on how to make a claim through the small
    claims court or tribunal should this become necessary.



    More information regarding consumer guarantees is available in the ACCC
    publication, Consumer Guarantees - a guide for consumers
    <http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item....odeId=963f13f0
    6c06feab683324a148626849&fn=Consumer%20guarantees% 20a%20guide%20for%20co
    nsumers.pdf> .



    Thank you for contacting the ACCC. I trust this information is of
    assistance.
    97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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    • #17
      I used to work with a guy who took his car to the same independent mechanic for years on end. When he finally went to a different mechanic for some reason, the oil that came out of his engine was like black honey. So even someone he 'thought' he knew to be doing the proper work, wasn't :evil:
      I've been 'seeing' my mechanic for 23 years now and wouldn't use anyone else
      Our 6 year old and 3 year old try their hardest to make sure there is no time or money for the other baby

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      • #18
        Originally posted by letsgoplaces View Post
        I've been 'seeing' my mechanic for 23 years now and wouldn't use anyone else
        Isn't it about time you did the honourable thing and marry him?

        I have lost count of the number of times I have had trouble with service people and the lies they tell to cover their bums. Worst though was driving out of a dealership in the Valley in winter. Just on closing time. Both headlights blown. Went I went back in they were very very sorry but everyone has gone home. They offered to hold the car overnight (I could taxi home or walk since there is no public transport near my place) and they would fix it tomorrow. So I drove home with frog (sic) lights on and bought some new bulbs...
        My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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        • #19
          My recent experience: Melbourne Based, names omitted to allow fair response to resolve

          ATT: Service Manager,
          Cust # XXXX
          Doc # XXXXXXXXXXX

          I am emailing to express my concerns about the 160,000k service preformed on my 2006 GXL Petrol 6sp Manual Prado on Mon 23rd Dec.
          I am aware and accept the 160,000k is a major service for the Prado with a high price tag to go along with it, and on the 23rd I arrived just before 9am to drop the car off (I was late as I had agreed to drop it off at 8am).
          XXXX was the service adviser, who outlined some of the details of the service, $1400 cost, restating it was a major service, and he also suggested an injector clean, of which I agreed to. He also asked if it was possible to hold the Prado overnight - unfortunately with no reason why (I had assumed it was due to being a very busy time, me being a bit late and being a major service that maybe more time was required – and yes I should have asked why!) Having to pickup up a guest from the airport at midnight, this was not possible. After my own research, I suspect that the reason to hold the vehicle overnight was to perform a "cold start" for the “valve clearances” check? Either way the overnight requirement should have been discussed with me at the time of booking the Prado in for the service, as I would have agreed to this.

          Around 4.30pm I was called, told the Prado was ready and if I could “make it by or before 5pm”. I met with XXXX just around 5pm, he offered me a seat and nothing was mentioned whilst I sat with and watched him staple several papers together for 3-5mins. When he was ready and spoke to me, it was about the brake / wheel test results, tyre condition, oils changed and the total which came to $1510. I asked if the mechanics had mentioned anything to be “concerned about” or “notice anything”, no was the response with a shake of the head…. Not that I was expecting anything in particular, although a vehicle with 169,000k which has never had a problem since purchased from new, there is the thought of some wear and tear occurring with the possible “you may need to consider X at the next service or “be wary of…” and what of the oil stains on the underbody of the engine I had noticed? mmm anyway, payment made and with the level of trust I place in your service dept, I walked out without checking over the vehicle, hopped in and drove off.

          On arriving home, I ran my eyes over the Prado, knowing that some items needed replacing;
          • wiper blades (all) - especially the rear as the rubber blade had ripped,
          • aircon filter - which was missing and this occurred from my last visit to your service dept - which I choose not to mention then as I was not charged for a new filter, your service dept just never put back the old one back in!,
          • rubber bumper/stopper on the inside top of the back /rear door - it has worn so much from closing that it is broken through – very, VERY obvious,
          • lubrication of the door hinges, rear door hinges, no lube,
          • the appearance of the same oil stains on the underbody of the engine.

          After paying $1,500.00 for a major service, one would have thought that these basic items would have been picked up visually and be replaced and / or a report for the oil appearance noticed during the so called inspection. But no, to my surprise and disappointment sadly, they were exactly in the same state from when I dropped the vehicle off in the morning.

          Now I am no mechanic, but think the Prado would have been hoisted for the oil change and brake check; thus it was impossible to not notice the oil stains on the underside of the engine.

          So then, why is there no report or mention of the appearance of oil on the underside of the engine?

          Which now leads me to question if the Prado really was inspected during the service?

          What non-obvious items too me were then supposedly “checked” or “inspected” as part of the 160,000k service requirement which were not?

          So did I just pay for an extremely expensive oils change? It appears so.

          The following day I went to Bursons Auto Parts and purchased new Bosch windscreen wipers (thanks to PradoPoint!)

          I have never questioned my loyalty to the brand after becoming a proud Prado owner in 2006 with a vehicle that has been trouble free. Sites like PradoPoint and LCOOL reinforce the choice I made in purchasing the quality and reliability of the Land Cruiser range and the commitment of the owners to the Toyota brand.

          Reluctantly, for the first time I have to question trust.

          I trust Toyota and your service dept only to carry out the servicing of my Prado in order to assist me to maintain my vehicle in top running order to provide me years of continued driving pleasure.

          Unfortunately from this experience, I question your service dept’s commitment to your customers and their vehicles.

          I look forward to your reply in addressing my concerns,
          A very disappointed Toyota customer
          2013 MY14 VX Prado TD, Bullbar, Airtec Snorkel, Uniden UH8080NB, Tyredog TPMS 1400AX, ScangaugeII, Interior LEDs, Creed 9' LED Spotties.

          Don't look at me, I'm Gen X, we are stuck in the middle of all this....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by chimma View Post
            My recent experience: Melbourne Based, names omitted to allow fair response to resolve
            Good luck
            [url=http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=12264]My Prado[/url]

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            • #21
              I have a good mechanic but still prefer to do as much a possible myself.
              Just learnt how to replace the head on my prado thanks to the great threads on this forum.

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              • #22
                My vehicle is at a dealer service centre now. Its the first and the last time it will grace a Toyota premises.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Beach View Post
                  Its the first and the last time it will grace a Toyota premises.
                  Any particular reason why? I've been going to the same Toyota dealer for over 10 years now and haven't really had any problems that weren't easily resolved.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by fido666 View Post
                    Any particular reason why? I've been going to the same Toyota dealer for over 10 years now and haven't really had any problems that weren't easily resolved.
                    There sure is but I can't give details just yet.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by D4D View Post
                      Good luck
                      Thanks D4D, I will update the outcome, the service manager contacted me and has asked I meet with him to discuss on Tuesday morning.

                      Also apologies for the post in the other cat, I hadn't realised I posted twice, being a newbie I am still figuring it all out!
                      2013 MY14 VX Prado TD, Bullbar, Airtec Snorkel, Uniden UH8080NB, Tyredog TPMS 1400AX, ScangaugeII, Interior LEDs, Creed 9' LED Spotties.

                      Don't look at me, I'm Gen X, we are stuck in the middle of all this....

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                      • #26
                        Hey Beach

                        Wouldnt be BB by any chance would it..
                        [SIZE=2]SBIDDER
                        2013 Prado GXL Auto - Glacier Wh[/SIZE]ite

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