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    An article from a magazine that I receive, from a recent South Aus. Motor Vehicle Theft seminar.


    "Car thieves in the future may need nothing more than a smartphone to steal a vehicle. A British security expert says car thieves are using increasingly sophisticated electronic tools, and with the rapid advancements in telematics and infotainment systems, drivers can use their smartphones to control some vehicle systems.

    There is the possibility of criminals using such systems to steal vehicles, or possibly by using a virus or some type of malware to disable a vehicle's security system. Highly organised criminal networks are now involved in stealing cars in Europe, and it's a trend that could be soon seen in Aus."


    Gives you something to think about.

    One thing I like about the 150 Prado is that you only have to grab the front door handles, or push the buttons on the back door to lock/unlock the vehicle, with the fob in your pocket. As far as I am aware, the electronic signal between the fob and the Prado is contained in that small area right next to the Prado, whereas when you press the on/off buttons on the fob, the electronic signal will travel up to 100 metres through the air, and could be detected by a crook's electronic recorder when he is siting in a nearby vehicle.

    I have been told such recording devices do exist, where the crook captures your electronic signal, and can then use it to disable the car security system once you walk away.

    Some crooks have a car alarm fitted to their own vehicle, then work out a way to disable it. With the electronic age upon us, the crooks will be trying to beat the electronic systems.


    No need to panic yet.

  • #2
    They've been doing the same thing with garage remotes for years (im sure they aren't as sofisticated as car ones though). They just sit in your street & wait for people to go to work and open/close their garage as they leave, they record & duplicate the signal and them bam they're in your house stealing your stuff.

    Cheers
    James

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jss View Post
      They've been doing the same thing with garage remotes for years (im sure they aren't as sofisticated as car ones though). They just sit in your street & wait for people to go to work and open/close their garage as they leave, they record & duplicate the signal and them bam they're in your house stealing your stuff.

      Cheers
      James
      Or just sit there and toggle the dip switches on their own remote 4096 different ways.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by yowie View Post
        One thing I like about the 150 Prado is that you only have to grab the front door handles, or push the buttons on the back door to lock/unlock the vehicle, with the fob in your pocket. As far as I am aware, the electronic signal between the fob and the Prado is contained in that small area right next to the Prado, whereas when you press the on/off buttons on the fob, the electronic signal will travel up to 100 metres through the air, and could be detected by a crook's electronic recorder when he is siting in a nearby vehicle.
        It works like this, from a small distance Billy the Burglar has portable Proximity reader device in pocket, he watches you get out of your Prado 150 touch handle to lock car with your fob in pocket so he knows which car is yours. He walks past you with his portable proximity reader which reads the code of the fob in your pocket, he'll have to be within approx 1-2mtrs of you but on a busy or narrow street not too noticeable by you. Walks up to your pride n joy programs his 'reader' to now be a 'sender' which your Prado accepts the code and his in and away.

        There is a little more to it than that but that is basically it. We have in our minds that cause it's electronic it must be sophisticated and the best especially for a $60k+ vehicle.........Don't want to worry you but just stop and have a think at how 'sophisticated' the 150 GXL phone Blue tooth pairing is? Use to work in the Security Industry, fair enough it was commercial and industrial installs and not cars however we used to work on the theory that if you make it hard enough then olde Billy Burglar would go next door where it was an easier target.

        Apology and nothing meant to anyone on here named Billy
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        • #5
          "OLD WAYS TO 'inconvenience' THIEFS!

          Hi guys

          They may have electronic gizmo's but it's not that hard to 'inconvenience' them!

          Get ye good old "Crook Lock" and they will have to carry a cordless angle grinder!

          As we know a box of grinder sparks are not that common in the main street or car part so they are sure to attract attention one way or another!.... Not forgetting the noise!!!

          Not every crook is a Lock-Smith so every bit of 'inconvenience' helps

          Crook lock!

          And if ya worried about the ye old flat bed truck? Same again!.. the word 'inconvenience' strikes again!

          Wheel clamp!


          its all about 'inconvenience' and then they will pick on the next car because lets face it!!.. It attracts allot of attention and costs time when someone is wrestling with a cheap and affective 'Crook-Lock' or "wheel clamp!"... Especially if they don't have the keys for them!

          And yes we all know that if they "REALLY, REALLY" want your Pride & Joy/Shopping Trolley they will get it but that doesn't mean that you don't have to make it harder for them!

          Cheers
          Last edited by SWR; 06-06-2013, 04:35 PM.

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          • #6
            Back in the day my parents were in Africa, and got so annoyed with people trying to rip off their new car (3 times in a month) that my dad went to a steel fabricator and had a clamp welded up out of 5-10mm steel plate that went over the 3 pedals held with a very heavy duty padlock, under dash hidden cutout switch, and a crooklock.

            Never worried after that, althought it took us 5 minutes longer to get anywhere
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Scud View Post
              It works like this, from a small distance Billy the Burglar has portable Proximity reader device in pocket, he watches you get out of your Prado 150 touch handle to lock car with your fob in pocket so he knows which car is yours. He walks past you with his portable proximity reader which reads the code of the fob in your pocket, he'll have to be within approx 1-2mtrs of you but on a busy or narrow street not too noticeable by you. Walks up to your pride n joy programs his 'reader' to now be a 'sender' which your Prado accepts the code and his in and away.

              There is a little more to it than that but that is basically it. We have in our minds that cause it's electronic it must be sophisticated and the best especially for a $60k+ vehicle.........Don't want to worry you but just stop and have a think at how 'sophisticated' the 150 GXL phone Blue tooth pairing is? Use to work in the Security Industry, fair enough it was commercial and industrial installs and not cars however we used to work on the theory that if you make it hard enough then olde Billy Burglar would go next door where it was an easier target.

              Apology and nothing meant to anyone on here named Billy
              If the thieving pricks put their time and effort into working a legitimate job, there would not be a problem. I suppose for them there is no tax to pay, flexible work hours, driving along scenic routes, no service costs, different choice of vehicle to drive every day, pick up chicks with new expensive vehicles, etc.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Skywalkerrun View Post
                Hi guys

                They may have electronic gizmo's but it's not that hard to 'inconvenience' them!

                Get ye good old "Crook Lock" and they will have to carry a cordless angle grinder!

                As we know a box of grinder sparks are not that common in the main street or car part so they are sure to attract attention one way or another!.... Not forgetting the noise!!!

                Not every crook is a Lock-Smith so every bit of 'inconvenience' helps

                Crook lock!

                And if ya worried about the ye old flat bed truck? Same again!.. the word 'inconvenience' strikes again!

                Wheel clamp!


                its all about 'inconvenience' and then they will pick on the next car because lets face it!!.. It attracts allot of attention and costs time when someone is wrestling with a cheap and affective 'Crook-Lock' or "wheel clamp!"... Especially if they don't have the keys for them!

                And yes we all know that if they "REALLY, REALLY" want your Pride & Joy/Shopping Trolley they will get it but that doesn't mean that you don't have to make it harder for them!

                Cheers
                As you stated, have to make it harder for the thieving pricks, and hope they go elsewhere.

                Just put the story there, as some people think their electronic gadgets will save them, however, it is making it easier for the crooks.

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                • #9
                  I have one word for everyone...Insurance!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Scud View Post
                    It works like this, from a small distance Billy the Burglar has portable Proximity reader device in pocket, he watches you get out of your Prado 150 touch handle to lock car with your fob in pocket so he knows which car is yours. He walks past you with his portable proximity reader which reads the code of the fob in your pocket, he'll have to be within approx 1-2mtrs of you but on a busy or narrow street not too noticeable by you. Walks up to your pride n joy programs his 'reader' to now be a 'sender' which your Prado accepts the code and his in and away.
                    The is a little more to it than that as the fobs have a rolling encryption code that is salted from the factory so there are many combinations. You can't just 'pluck' the code out of the air like you can with older garage door openers. Even garage door opener codes are salted now.
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                    • #11
                      If you get the same wheel clamp and paint it the same way as the local council you can park anywhere!
                      My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                      • #12
                        Indeed D4D, even my garage door has rolling codes.
                        Cheers
                        gumboot
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                        • #13
                          Here's something I have been thinking about for a while but haven't looked into whether it would work, maybe some of the sparkles here might have some input.

                          What if you put a solenoid in then main cable to the starter motor, then put a hidden switch to activate the solenoid, just like I used to do on my old VH crummydore except that was to earth the coil. Would that work or would it cause issues with the electronics in new cars.

                          Cheers Andrew
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                          • #14
                            I reckon it would be fine. The starter would be just an open circuit unless the solenoid was closed.
                            My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mjrandom View Post
                              If you get the same wheel clamp and paint it the same way as the local council you can park anywhere!
                              Tats funny.

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