How things can quickly go wrong............

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

I agree with AJ. It's almost impossible for people to come to grips with powering out of a spin. The natural reaction, albeit a little slow for most road users, is to hit the brakes. That's why they have made stability control and ABS to try to take the guess work out of it. And, if all else fails, they give you airbags for when you crash. That is providing you are driving a modern car. I only have 2 airbags, ABS and no stability control hence I have to drive smarter. When you have 3.5 tonnes of LC 100 series with the back end trying to pass the front end - momentum takes over and it's bye-bye at the speed we saw in the video.

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I may be wrong but I don't think it was his grandson SSB, the driver didn't look that old....lol..Cheers Steve

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

I agree with AJ. It's almost impossible for people to come to grips with powering out of a spin.

I think the problem with guys like you and me Bushy is that we don't spend enough time driving on dirt roads, even with my advanced driver training and dirt track racing experience I still haven't managed to gain the sublime driving skills of some of these city boys

Cheers Andrew

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

I think the problem with guys like you and me Bushy is that we don't spend enough time driving on dirt roads, even with my advanced driver training and dirt track racing experience I still haven't managed to gain the sublime driving skills of some of these city boys

Cheers Andrew

Hmmmmmm.......soooooo...... training, technique and practice is a good idea then..?

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I think the problem with guys like you and me Bushy is that we don't spend enough time driving on dirt roads, even with my advanced driver training and dirt track racing experience I still haven't managed to gain the sublime driving skills of some of these city boys

Cheers Andrew

That's right, some things you are born to do & some you are not, doesn't matter how much I played basketball, cricket & footy im sh!t at it. natural abilty + skill = is what you need. I am not not teaching anyone how to drive at speed,(lucky ehh) Driver trainers can take that responsibility, Like I said from the start SLOW DOWN.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

I might drop the front prop-shaft out so I can do some circle work in the Prado and really get the back end out.

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

I might drop the front prop-shaft out so I can do some circle work in the Prado and really get the back end out.

Lower it and put low profile tyres on as well.

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

I might drop the front prop-shaft out so I can do some circle work in the Prado and really get the back end out.

Pump em up to 80 psi as well lol........

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I might drop the front prop-shaft out so I can do some circle work in the Prado and really get the back end out.

You're gonna need a whole lot more power than the Diesel has , even without a front propshaft

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Gday Kav

You're gonna need a whole lot more power than the Diesel has , even without a front propshaft

Orrrr!! ..Come on Kav!!.... fair go mate!!!... Lol

I think you heavily under-estimate the hidden force of the D4D!!!! lol

My D4D Eeeeeasily spins "All" 4 x wheel's on gravel and at 1 x third of fuel to a V6!...... Lol

Obviously the V6 would rev a tad harder (Mine gets fully winded @ 3,500rpm!!!... No rev limiter needed!!.. lol) but can still kick up dust/gravel, whatever is lying around loosely!! LMAO! (Black top don't count unless driving in torrential rain on a greasy road surface! Lol

ALSO!.... I personally hope that the guy screws the council for compensation as that's exactly what "ALL" council's do to us (rate payers) every year State & territory wide (Unless an election is close by then they do some sort of work to look like they are doing something for the community with our hard earned coin!!.... Better known as the "council get rich fund!") and through the whole ordeal of loosing control of his rig his number one priority was his son!! ... Even when the rig was still rolling he constantly sang out to his son if he was OK!.. The guy is a legend in my books!

I think that it why the word "ACCIDENT" was invented!.... Click link below!

Accident


Recap on the "ACCIDENT".

Cheers

[bevwone Member Find all posts View Profile Close bevwone]

I think the problem with guys like you and me Bushy is that we don't spend enough time driving on dirt roads, even with my advanced driver training and dirt track racing experience I still haven't managed to gain the sublime driving skills of some of these city boys

Cheers Andrew

Harsh and uncalled for. Everyone else has been polite without getting personal. Just because someone lives in the city has nothing to do with it.

With my advanced driver training and dirt-track racing experience I understand both sides of the argument. When driving on the limit I was taught to drive with the accelerator. Taking your foot off the accelerator when at the beginning of a over-steer will only create a 'back-off over steer' and compound the problem. When you foot comes off the accelerator the front end dips, taking precious weight off the rear, therefore less traction (decreasing the traction circle) and the rear will come around faster.

It takes nuts to accelerate 'out' of a slide, giving it more right foot and enough power to transfer weight to the rear and maintain a controlled oversteer out of the corner. But just 'planting' your right foot will do nothing but compound the slide because it will make the rear wheels spin before the weight is transferred to the rear wheels. Nothing on the vehicle is a light switch - everything has to be done smoothly.

Traction Circle explained - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjCcFsGLpaM

Lift-off oversteer explained from http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/oversteer.htm

'Lift-off oversteer is a phenomenon which can occur when reducing the throttle mid corner. This will only happen when driving close to the limit so only experiment when on the track! Sporty front wheel drive drive cars can be especially prone to this due to the heavy front end and light rear. Reducing the throttle input results in a forward weight transfer, which increases the grip at the front tyres, but reduces levels at the rear. If this is performed during cornering, the combination of the heavy front end and the reduction of grip can cause the rear wheels to break traction and start to slide towards the outside of the corner.

In the image (link) below, the driver of a front engine car lifts off the throttle mid corner at [A] which results in lift-off oversteer at [B] due to a forward weight transfer.
Lift off oversteerLift-off oversteer - http://www.drivingfast.net/images/ca...-oversteer.png

Luckily, lift off oversteer can usually be corrected by reapplying the throttle and accelerating. This should pull the front of the car forwards and straighten out the car, but continuing to reduce throttle application can cause the car to spin. Steering in the direction of the intended direction of travel will help keep the car on track.'

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Harsh and uncalled for. Everyone else has been polite without getting personal. Just because someone lives in the city has nothing to do with it.

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Did you notice the emoticon at the end? I thought it was pretty obvious that I was taking the piss, particularly out of #### who said he is happy to demonstrate. I've met ####, spoken to him on the phone and despite us often disagreeing I am sure he wouldn't take the slightest offence to my comments.

I really don't want to argue the point anyway, I only commented initially because of what I saw as very bad advice being offered to someone who asked for advice. People can read and choose to accept the advice of who ever they like and hopefully with some opposing views having been expressed those people who don't believe they know the correct way to go will seek appropriate professional advice to improve their skills.

As for not living in the country being any advantage, well if practice counts for anything living in the country means I have probably driven on dirt roads more days then not in the nearly 30 years since I started driving, youth and high speed on dirt roads also meant I made more than my fair share of mistakes, which hopefully I learned a bit from.

Cheers Andrew

[bundyk Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bundyk]

People can read and choose to accept the advice of who ever they like and hopefully with some opposing views having been expressed those people who don't believe they know the correct way to go will seek appropriate professional advice to improve their skills.

Cheers Andrew

Couldn't agree more. All the info has been presented over several posts, some bits of info contradict others, and some don't. Its all up to the reader to take the advice/info that has been presented here and do with it as they please. What is right and what is wrong is up to them to decide.

Please note: all the info that has been given here has NOT been given by a professional driving instructor (that I have noticed) and is simply advice. Should someone decide, for what ever reason, to try some of the driving techniques described here and it goes pear shaped, the the responsibility is all on the driver. (I hope I'm not out of line adding this bit)

[bevwone Member Find all posts View Profile Close bevwone]

Did you notice the emoticon at the end? I thought it was pretty obvious that I was taking the piss, particularly out of #### who said he is happy to demonstrate.

Nope sorry, I obviously don't understand emoticons. To me, the emoticon made it look like you had a shared secret pact with bushbasher. But now I know you were taking the piss.

Bev

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I think the problem with guys like you and me Bushy is that we don't spend enough time driving on dirt roads, even with my advanced driver training and dirt track racing experience I still haven't managed to gain the sublime driving skills of some of these city boys

Cheers Andrew

Wow, not everyone can be Sébastien Loeb , but you seem to think your superior advanced driving skills put you in the same league.

My hat is off to you, and one day i hope i can be as modest as you, until that day i shall just be humble and say that i drive to the best of my ability.