Prado 120 Projector Headlight Issue

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

Well as you know, I'm pretty new to the Prado. I've just fitted Ozi4x4 Projector headlights and notice something odd. When switching to high beam, only one projector per headlight is working (the high beam, not the low beam). The low beam switches off. This results in a pretty poor high beam. The headlights are LED and use the OEM wiring. I wonder if there is an issue with the relay or if this is the expected behavior.

If this is the expected behavior, 'I wonder if the wiring loom and Circuit completer from Piranah is the solution, A post on this forum speaks about making your own but the diagram is no longer available.

[sparksy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sparksy]

If you are using the standard wiring then thats correct. Normal headlight has 2 separate filaments. Each is powered separately.

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

I may have to investigate the Piranha loom then.

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

PS. Don't waste your time buying these lights.

[Xerotao Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Xerotao]

Previously iv purchased these lights to replace the dull factory headlights, well turns out they are worse than the factory ones.
Didnt want to get stung by another set of led projector headlights on the market. I ended up making my own.

[Daniel150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daniel150]

PS. Don't waste your time buying these lights.

I’ve never found aftermarket led lights to be any better than factory lights. Had plenty of mates get sucked in to buying them, only to find they are useless.
Factory lights are fine in town and as soon as you are outside of the city, flick on the driving lights, even the best headlights look like candles next to them.
The new Prado headlights are led and still not good on an open road.
Also, if your car didn’t come with led lights, technically they are illegal, not that I care but it’s an easy way to get a yellow sticker.

[Aanitanixon Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Aanitanixon]

I've never thought aftermarket led lights were any better than original equipment lighting. I've had many friends buy them only to discover their lack of use.
Factory lights are OK in towns, but as soon as you leave the city and turn on the driving lights, even the best headlights will appear to be candles in comparison.

[alexsmith12 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close alexsmith12]

In my 120, I installed Osram Nightbreaker. I'm ecstatic with them. They don't shine very far, but I attribute that to the reflector's construction.

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

I’ve never found aftermarket led lights to be any better than factory lights. Had plenty of mates get sucked in to buying them, only to find they are useless.
Factory lights are fine in town and as soon as you are outside of the city, flick on the driving lights, even the best headlights look like candles next to them.
The new Prado headlights are led and still not good on an open road.
Also, if your car didn’t come with led lights, technically they are illegal, not that I care but it’s an easy way to get a yellow sticker.

Not true

"6. Lamps Containing Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) LED lamps are common on modern vehicles due to their high efficiency. There is also an increasing range of LED globes that are intended as replacements for traditional filament globes, both in headlamps as well as other lamps such as indicators. Retrofitted LED globes are permitted as long as they are designed as a direct replacement for the original globe, and maintain the compliance of the lamp with the relevant requirements. Some aftermarket LED globes may fit directly into the original vehicle housing, but these still need to be assessed that they comply with the applicable vehicle standards. Except for a vehicle manufacturer’s approved replacement part, before purchasing an aftermarket LED lamp or replacement LED globe for a fitted lamp, check that its manufacturer clearly states on its packaging that the lamp/globe is suitable for road use and complies with the relevant ADR requirements."

https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default...tion-no-64.pdf

[Daniel150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daniel150]

Not true

"6. Lamps Containing Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) LED lamps are common on modern vehicles due to their high efficiency. There is also an increasing range of LED globes that are intended as replacements for traditional filament globes, both in headlamps as well as other lamps such as indicators. Retrofitted LED globes are permitted as long as they are designed as a direct replacement for the original globe, and maintain the compliance of the lamp with the relevant requirements. Some aftermarket LED globes may fit directly into the original vehicle housing, but these still need to be assessed that they comply with the applicable vehicle standards. Except for a vehicle manufacturer’s approved replacement part, before purchasing an aftermarket LED lamp or replacement LED globe for a fitted lamp, check that its manufacturer clearly states on its packaging that the lamp/globe is suitable for road use and complies with the relevant ADR requirements."

https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default...tion-no-64.pdf

Bit unfair to quote my whole statement and say “not true”.

I assume you are referring to the last section of my post.

I may be corrected, but I’ve never found a LED globe to replace a halogen one that doesn’t clearly state “off road use only” or “not adr compliant” or “check local regulations”. I’m sure there will be some floating around, I’ve just never found them.

The material you have posted says exactly that, “check that it’s adr compliant”. Not entirely sure what you hope to prove by labelling my whole post as “not true”.

You will also notice that the information you have included is regarding a globe only replacement.
The lights you have installed appear to be a complete headlight replacement. There is a good chance these will not be adr approved. (I could be wrong there). With an led headlight, you need to have auto levelling systems and headlight sprayers installed to “clean” the lenses to prevent the beams getting scattered and blinding people.
Personally I don’t believe the sprayers do anything but satisfy some red tape. I also couldn’t care less if people install led headlights, I just made the point that they can earn you a defect.

[Daniel150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daniel150]

https://www.4wdingaustralia.com/4x4/...sions-illegal/

Well worth a read.

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

Bit unfair to quote my whole statement and say “not true”.

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I quoted your whole post because that is the default and I was busy changing front suspension. Please accept my humble apologies for offending you.

Let me quote what is untrue. "Also, if your car didn’t come with led lights, technically they are illegal, not that I care but it’s an easy way to get a yellow sticker."

Let's examine that - an LED headlight is by definition one that has LED globes.
So a globe change converts an incandescent headlight to a LED headlight - by your logic, that would be illegal. it isn't - that makes that part of your post untrue.
True some LED headlights (whole light assemblies may well be illegal but My bet is most are not. I think those who claim they are have not really read ADR. Bit like the people who claim safety chain shackles on your caravan must have a yellow pin.

You may also note that I don't recommend the projector headlights mentioned in this post. I didn't like them so much that they went straight in the bin.
My factory headlights (ADR compliant) now have LED globes. BTW these must be under 3000 lumens to be legal or is that 3500, I forget now. Anyway there is an upper limit around 3000 lumens.

Now to ADR. I assume that since you mention that the lights must be ADR compliant, that you know the ADR regs. Specifically Clause 6.1 and 6.2 of ADR 13/00, if not I'm keen to hear from anyone who has studied ADR 13/00 Clause 6.1 and 6.2 who has determined that the blanket statement "if your car didn’t come with led lights, technically they are illegal,", is true.

If that is you, please let me know which part of ADR 13/00 makes them illegal

As for the rest of the quote, I'm pretty sure I'm unqualified to assess the veracity of any other part of it.

For example I could not challenge "I’ve never found aftermarket led lights to be any better than factory lights." I have no idea what you have found and have not found. I don't know you and you don't know me and we've never communicated about what you have and have not found.

I guess I could claim that "Factory lights are fine in town and as soon as you are outside of the city, flick on the driving lights, even the best headlights look like candles next to them." is untrue, so you are right it is unfair to quote your entire post, but I think anyone would be a fool to claim it's untrue. Mind you, flicking on the driving lights on the Hume Highway out of Sydney would probably get you in some trouble- it's a tad busy

I guess I could claim that it is untrue that "The new Prado headlights are led and still not good on an open road." But I don't own a 150.

so I agree it was unfair to quote your entire post. Hope it didn't ruin your day as much as finding a leaking front main seal ruined mine

[OlsensToursandTraining Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OlsensToursandTraining]

https://www.4wdingaustralia.com/4x4/...sions-illegal/

Well worth a read.

Thanks for that. Well there is someone who has read ADR. So I stand corrected and apologise to Daniel150 ...now to find those globes I took out

[Daniel150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daniel150]

Thanks for the long, rambling, passive aggressive post taking the p**s and then the one line apology when you realise you are wrong.
Did the new globes you installed specifically say on the box “adr compliant” or “legal for on road use”?
I would suggest they did not, but rather something completely the opposite.
What I’m trying to point out is that vehicle parts manufacturers (arb, Tjm etc) spend a large amount of cash making sure their parts are adr compliant and will say with 100% certainty that they are.
Surely if the major headlight manufacturers could also do this for aftermarket LEDS, they would.
If you choose to use something other than original parts on a vehicle, the onus is on you to prove they comply. Back to my original post, I don’t think you can and led globes are a pretty quick way to draw attention from the cops, get a defect and then have to prove those lights are ok. For the minimal, if any benefit, the trouble is not worth it.
Incidentally it’s the same with the caravan shackles you mention. No you do not have to use rated shackles, but you must prove that the chains connecting the van to your vehicle are strong enough to keep the van attached in the event of a breakaway. The easiest way to do this is to buy a shackle that has been tested and rated for that job.

[Daniel150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Daniel150]

https://www.narva.com.au/blogs/blogs...s-adr-approval

I’d also have a read of that. I would assume Narva would have a pretty serious interest in making their globes compliant if it where possible.